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13065 Orono Parkway
Elk River, MN 55330
September 20, 2004
File: 800110]-0081
Honorable Mayor and City Council
City of Elk River
13065 Orono Parkway
Elk River, MN 55330
RE: LINE AVENUE CUL-DE-SAC
Dear Councilmembers:
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It is my understanding that you would like to revisit the Line Avenue cul-de-sac issue at
Monday's City Council meeting. To assist in the discussion I have pulled out some of the
history regarding this issue. Attached to this memo are the following items:
. June 12, 2000 City Council minutes
. June 22, 2000 letter from me to the City Council discussing the issue
. June 26, 2000 City Council minutes including an action to delay the cul-de-sacing of Line
Avenue
. June 28, 2000 Star News article concerning the issue
As you are aware, the original design of the East Elk River plans called for the cul-de-sacing
of Line Avenue. Weare currently looking through our archived plan sheets to find the
original cul-de-sac plan. I hope to have this available Monday evening. At this point in time,
we have not been able to prepare a detailed cost estimate, but considering that the area has
been previously graded, there would be minimal dirt work necessary for the construction of
a cul-de-sac. My initial ballpark guess would be that the cost of cul-de-sacing Line Avenue,
installing appropriate signing, and some minimal landscaping would be in the $50,000 range.
I will be in attendance at your September 20, 2004 City Council meeting to discuss this issue
further.
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Terry J. K1'furer, P.E.
Phone: 763.635.1000
Fax: 763.635.1090
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Elk River City Council Minutes
June 12. 2000
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~my Thompson questioned why School Street did not run entirely through Elk Hiils
Di'1\te and to County Road 13 to improve public safety.
Mayor Klinzing noted that the original language requested to be placed on the
plaque will not occur uniess two members of the council request to reconsider
the mati or\" She further noted that the council members requesting
reconsiderd1ipn must be on the prevailing side of the motion.
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MAYOR KLlNZI~OVED TO ALLOW A PLAQUE THAT MEMORIALIZES ALL PEOPLE
WHO HAVE LOST IR LIVES ON HIGHWAYS 169 AND 10 AND TO DEDICATE THE
BRIDGE TO FUTURE' . NERATIONS WHO WILL BE SAFER BECAUSE OF THE BRIDGE.
COUNCILMEMBER DIm SECONDED THE MOTION.
Councilmember Farber indicated he did not feel the council is listening to the
community.
Cecilia Scheel, 10271 213'" Avenue NW. spoke in favor of aliowing the plaque as
requested by the people.
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Jennifer Twaddle indicated that ~ community needed the lights. fencing. and
bridge prior to her brother being kiilSQ. She stated that it is important that the
plaques be placed on the bridge.
Sue Hasskamp, Dodg~:Street. indicated that the community owes a great deal
of thanks to the TWgddIe family. She stated that the issue is not about
memorializing deSjl'hs on the highway but about the community pulling together.
She indicated t~ the Twaddle's did what they did because they cared about
other kids in tt;t'brea and did not want to see another tragic accident.
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" ated that thanks to the efforts of the Twaddle's, the city has the
Iso indicated he would like to see the plaque placed on the bridge
presented.
ember Thompson suggested that a group of peeple get together to
up with verbiage for the plaque. He further indicated he feit that plaques
d be placed on the bridge.
UNCILMEMBER MOTIN MOVED TO TABLE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION TO TABLE
CARRIED 5-0,
Jeannine Bernard questioned whether the closing or rerouting of County Road 13
was a final decision.
City Engineer Terry Maurer reviewed a map with the audience and explained
that a portion of County Road 13 will be turned back to the city and a new
County Road 13 section connecting to County Road 12 has been accepted by
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June 12. 2000
Page 4
Sherburne County once it is compieted. The plan calls for the part of County
Road 13 that Is given to the city to be made into a cul-de-sac.
Jerry Ganz, Twin Lakes Road, indicated he was opposed to the cul-de-sac on
County Road 13.
Jerry Becker, 18741 Twin Lakes Road, indicated he was opposed to the cul-de-
sac.
Ron AIstad, 11301 198'h Avenue, questioned the traffic route from Tyler Street to
Highway 169. He also questioned whether there were any considerations for more
east/west corridors. He suggested placing restrictions for semi-trucks and heavy
equipment on the road.
City Engineer Terry Maurer indicated that placing restrictions on the road would
not be possible as the road is an MSA road.
Carol Rehling, 11015 197th Avenue, indicated that there has been an increase in
traffic and stated that people are finding shortcuts to get to Highway 169. She
requested that the city put in summer time speed bumps and indicated that she
was opposed to the cul-de-sac.
Jim Gardiepy, 19751 Tyler, indicated that he has noticed an increase in traffic
and in the speed of the traffic. He also indicated that he would like to see
restrictions placed on the road for heavy equipment and semis.
Ronny Kostreba, County Road 13, indicated his concern about where stoplights
will be placed.
Bonnie Gardiepy, 19751 Tyler, indicated her opposition to the cul-de-sac.
Laurel Thompson questioned if 193'0 would be built to specific standards. He
indicated that there is no east/west route and stated he wouid like to see School
Street extended.
Gail Trushenskl questioned where her driveway would be placed in relation to the
road.
Mayor Klinzing indicated her concern regarding the lack of east/west routes in
the city. She further noted that she has a concern regarding the Highway 169
and County Road 33 intersection, especially if traffic increases from County Road
33.
Following council discussion it was the consensus to direct the city engineer to
further research the issue and bring information to the City Council at a future
meeting.
The City Council recessed at 8:35 and reconvened at 8:45.
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Howard R, Green Company
CONSULTING ENGINEERS
June 22, 2000
File: 800110J-0081
The Honorable Mayor and City Council
City of Elk River
13065 Orono Parkway
Elk River, Minnesota 55330
RE: CSAH 13/TYLER STREET ISSUES
CITY OF ELK RIVER, MINNESOTA
Dear Council Members:
As requested, I have put together some of the history regarding the decision to cul-de-
sac old CSAH 13 once the new Tyler Street alignment is open and connected to CSAH'
12. The origins of this decision making process go back over two years and include
many variables.
First, we considered the traffic study prepared for Elk River Crossing, the plat which will
. contain Home Depot and Walmart. The traffic projections for that development estimate
that there will be 17,400 vehicles per day entering and exiting the site at the Main
StreetlCSAH 12 intersection with CSAH 13. This led City staff to conclude that it was
important to keep as much traffic away from the Main StreetlTrunk Highway (TH) 169 as
possible. Essentially, if we get traffic that does not need to be in this area to bypass it,
we would improve the operation of the intersection since there would be a substantial
amount of new traffic that wants to be in this area because of the commercial/industrial
opportunities.
Second of all, through the design and layout process, the consideration was that traffic
even wanting to access TH 169 via Main Street would be better off entering onto Main
StreetlCSAH 12 at a point much further to the east. The reason for this consideration is
because once the traffic is on CSAH 12/Main Street headed westerly toward TH 169
they would have a longer period of time to make their decisions relative to which lanes
they need to be in at the intersection of TH 169. An analysis of the movements from
westbound Main Street at TH 169 indicated that the smallest movement was a right turn
to northbound TH 169. The left turn to southbound TH 169 and the through movement
to westbound Main Street were substantially higher than the right turn to northbound TH
169.
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Another variable in this whole decision making process was the thought that the County
should take over at least a portion of the new Tyler Street construction. At one point in
time, the thought was that the entire new roadway from TH 10 at 171st all the way up to
the tie-in point with the existing CSAH 13 should be put on the County State Aid
Highway system. This thought was based on the amount of traffic the road was
expected to carry once development occurred along its corridor. The twenty-year
projection for Tyler Street traffic is approximately twenty thousand vehicle trips per day.
Obviously, this would be one of the busiest-if not the busiest-City streets and would
be substantially more highly traveled than some of the County roads within the City. As
we pursued the potential turnback to the County further, it became obvious that
Sherburne County would not be able to take the entire stretch of Tyler Street because of
limitations put on by their State Aid system. However, we were able to negotiate an
exchange of the new Tyler Street north of CSAH 12 for a turnback to the City of the old
CSAH 13 alignment from CSAH 12 north to the intersection where Tyler Street meets
CSAH 13. This negotiation was concluded with resolutions passed by both the County
Board and the City Council requesting State Aid designations on the portions of
roadway they would take back from the other party.
With this turnback of roads accomplished on paper, the City was then free to begin the
planning process for dealing with the turn back CSAH 13. At this point, City staff began
to look at the traffic patterns and potential long-term land uses in this old CSAH 13
corridor. The City planning staff at that time felt that the area would redevelop over time
as a commercial area closest to CSAH 12 and more of an industrial area further
removed from CSAH 12. With these types of uses, transportation connections to TH
169 were importan~however, staff still felt it was extremely important to not allow traffic
from North CSAH if to shortcut through this area. This droveB decision to break the
road or cul-de-sac it north of 5th Street. If a cul-de-sac were~nstructed between 5th
Street and CSAH 12, there would be a shortcut in place leading through the old liquor
store parking lot. This shortcut would be very detrimental to the operation of the
intersection of Main Street and TH 169 because of the additional conflicts it would
interject into a left and right turn lane situation.
One of the other issues that was considered in this decision making process was
emergency vehicle access or the increased trip time for these vehicles. Essentially, the
trip along Main Street and north on CSAH 13 was increased by approximately one-half
mile. Discussions were held with Bruce West, Fire Chief, and Tom Zerwas, Police
Chief, relative to the trip times for emergency vehicles. Bruce was most interested in
what was being proposed because his trips are typically originating at a set point-that
being the Fire Station. The Police Chief was less concerned with the changes because
his trips. can originate from anywhere in the City, and arguably, some trips would be
longer with the new roadway configuration while others would be shorter.
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CONSULTING ENGINEERS
The Honorable Mayor and City Council
June 22, 2000
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Bruce West felt that the increased travel time for an emergency vehicle with this new
alignment and proposed cul-de-sac on CSAH 13 would be less than a minute. It should
also be noted that the intersection of Main Street with old CSAH 13 is planned to be
signalized immediately since this is the main entrance to the Elk River Crossing area.
With the new signalization, emergency vehicle preemption will be installed. This should
make the emergency trips through this area safer. It is anticipated that in the future the
intersection of CSAH 12 with Tyler Street would need to be signalized at which time
emergency vehicle preemption would also be installed at this location.
Some additional variables that were considered--although somewhat minor to the whole
decision making process--included the fact that, by connecting existing CSAH 13 to
Tyler Street, drivers headed for TH 10 would be trained not to access the intersection of
Main Street and TH 169, but instead to follow Tyler Street to the south and access TH
10 at 1715t for a trip eastbound on TH 10 to Anoka. Thus, removing vehicle trips from
the intersection of Main Street and TH 169. The other consideration was that, as the
area north of CSAH 12 on the old CSAH 13 alignment redeveloped, there would be
more conflicting movements in this area for traffic on CSAH 13 to deal with if a cul-de-
sac was not constructed. As an example, Mulvaney Point Development, just north of
CSAH 12 on CSAH 13 is planned to contain the new post office plus four additional lots.
You can imagine the number of trips in and out of this area which would be added just
by the post office at certain times of the day or days of the week. Likewise, connecting
old CSAH 13 to Tyler Street would add another access point on Tyler Street that would
need a median break. This median break would add another potential conflict point as
vehicles attempt to make a turn across four lanes of traffic.
The one trip that will be most negatively impacted would be a southbound trip on CSAH
13 headed for the businesses along Dodge Avenue in Barringtooo Place. This is a strip
which contains McDonald's and Kentucky Fried Chicken. This negativity was
considered by staff, but we felt that it was a small price to pay for trying to improve the
traffic situation for significantly more trips in the Main Street/TH 169 area. The one
negative impact if the City Council were to not cul-de-sac CSAH 13 but direct that at the
tie into the new Tyler Street alignment would be that it would preclude George
Deschenes from building a new facility to house his business near the location of his
existing home. Currently, there will be an area of 0.85 acres of buildable land available
for Mr. Deschenes for constructing a new building. Mr. Deschenes has already
received a variance from the Planning Commission to construct a building in this
location. It should be noted that negotiations with the City over the acquisition of this
land to construct this building are not complete at this point in time.
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CONSULTING ENGINEERS
The Honorable Mayor and City Council
June 22, 2000
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One final consideration is the cost of such a change to the construction. We have
estimated using Latour Construction bid prices that the added cost to connect old CSAH
13 to Tyler Street would be approximately $60,000.
In conclusion, the construction of a cul-de-sac on CSAH 13 will increase the length of
the trip on southbound CSAH 13 to westbound CSAH 12 by approximately a half a mile.
Given this small inconvenience to these trips created by a cul-de-sac and given the
additional conflicts and confusion at the intersection of Main Street and TH 169 if old
CSAH 13 is connected to Tyler Street, I would strongly recommend that the plan to cul-
de-sac CSAH 13 remain in place. I will be in attendance at your meeting on June 26,
2000, and prepared to make a brief presentation on these various issues and then
answer any questions the City Councilor Public may have.
Sincerely,
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June 26, 2000
Page 3
CASH BALANCE BE MOVED INTO THE PARKS CAPITAL PROJECTS RESERVE. ,
COUNCILMEMBER FARBER SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED ~;:;~:
Mayor Klinzing and Counciimember Motin opposed. ,Jic"
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r Western Alea Phase IV Amended Feasibili Re art
City Engin Terry Maurer discussed changes to the Feasibility Report for the
Western Are ase IV Improvements, Mr, Maurer stated that the revised
Feasibility Stud moves the water main looping and street construction on 185'h
Avenue north of way 10. and adds the westerfy extension of trunk sanitary
sewer and water fr6~ the southwest corner of the Sherburne County Government
Center through the He;;!: Partners property to Waco Street, Mr. Maurer noted that
the changes in the prop~ed improvements result in an increased total project
cost to $2,677.500, "
Mayor Klinzing suggested that t sidential sections of the Western Area Phase
IV project be delayed until city. th problems, such as the school population
and traffic issues, could be reji(;)lved.
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COUNCILMEMBER FARBE~,ftfOVED TO AD RESOLUTION 00-47 RECEIVING THE
FEASIBILITY REPORT AND 'RDERING A PUBLI EARING ON THE IMPROVEMENT IN
THE MATTER OF THE W ERN AREA PHASE IV I OVEMENT OF 2000.
COUNCILMEMBER D SECONDED THE MOTION. E MOTION CARRIED 4-1. Mayor
Klinzing opposed.
FARBER MOVED TO ADOPT RESOLUTfON 00-48 DETERMINING
OF IMPROVEMENT AND ORDERING PREPARATION OF PROPOSED
LL IN THE MATTER OF WESTERN AREA PHAS! IV IMPROVEMENT OF
ILMEMBER DIETZ SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED 4-1.
g opposed.
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COUN EMBER MOTlN MOVED TO ADD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE
IMPRO MENT AND ASSESSMENT IN THE MATTER OF THE WESTERN AREA PHASE IV
IMPRO EMENT OF 2000 TO THE AUGUST 7,2000 SPECIAL MEETING AGENDA.
COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
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City Engineer Terry Maurer discussed reasons why the city decided to cul-
de-sac old CSAH 13 once the new Tyler Street alignment is open ond
connected to CSAH 12,
Mayor Klinzing and Councilmember Motin suggested waiting to cul-de-
sac old CSAH 1 3 because there is not enough good east/west access for
residents on the east side of town, Councilmember Motin suggested that
the city wait on the cui-de-sac until 193'd is constructed and/or until there
are traffic issues at the intersection of old CSAH 13 and CSAH 12.
Councilmember Thompson indicated that not putting in the cul-de-sac on
CSAH 13 would create safety concerns,
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June 26. 2000
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MAYOR KLINZING MOVED TO DELAY THE CLOSING OF THE CURRENT
ALIGNMENT OF SOUTH CSAH 13 AS A THROUGH STREET. COUNCILMEMBER
MOTlN SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED 3-2.
Councilmembers Dietz and Thompson opposed.
Brod Larson. representing George Deschenes. indicated his concern with
this action os it eliminates a iot to possibly relocate the Descr,ene
businesses.
175'h Avenue
City Engineer Terry Maurer informed the council that Sherburne County
would be upgrading CSAH 12 in calendar year 2000 and may not be
nished by the time the city wonts to begin upgrading 175'h Avenue
tween Tyler Street and Fillmore Street. Mr. Maurer proposed that the
17 Avenue improvements be delayed untii the 2002 construction season
so th both construction projects were not happening at the same time.
Mr. Ma er stated that the TEA 21 grant for the 175'" Avenue
improvef\ents couid most likely be pushed back to 2002.
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Mayor Klinzi>tc, indicated that she is not opposed to this delay because
she Objects"t~~. e P.. ossibility of including sewer and water in this project.
Mayor Klinzing ted that sewer and water shouldn't be extended down
175'" Avenue os I. ouid create more urban density residential
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Councilmember Mot~ndicated that s;oi'rying this road construction
project into another ~~1\; would be ~oJ!;trating to citizens that use both
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Councilmember Farber sugge"d Mr. Maurer contact Sherburne County
to determine if better coord~on and project management can be
reached between the co~ and the city.
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The City Council direct staff to do more research with the county and
the state. and then e back to council with an update.
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or Sale and Removal of House and Shed
City Administr r Pat Klaers stated that bids were accepted for the sale
f a house and a shed located at 18513 Twin Lakes Road. Eik
rs stated that the purchaser would b!3 responsible for
e necessary permits and for providing liIiI,bility insurance.
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of th r eil. septic. foundation and basement of the pr~erty after the
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SUNDEEN FOR THE PURCHASE AND REMOVAL OF THE SHED ANOiJHE $10,600
BID BY OTTING HOUSE MOVERS FOR THE PURCHASE AND REMOV~ OF THE
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Council delays capping CSAH 13
by Jim Boyle
Staff writer
The Elk River City Council
voted 3-2 Monday night to delay
plans to close County State Aid
Highway 13 when the new
CSAH 13 and its extension to
Highway 10 opens.
Residents voiced their opposi-
tion to the plan at a June 19
meeting and more than a dozen
citizens returned to hear the
council's decision this week.
Mayor Stephanie Klinzing and
council members Larry Farber
and Paul Motin voted to delay
plans to cap the county road
.JI'ith a cul-de-sac. Instead of
ping the road, the council
L".ected staff to have the road
"1''' into the the new County
Road 13 (Tyler Street). It will
cost an extra $60,000.
Council members Daryl
Thompson and John Dietz voted
to against the measure. They
sided with City Engineer Terry
Maurer, who strongly urged the
council to continue on with
plans to cap the road after lay-
ing out a variety of reasons for
his recommendation.
Chief anlong Maurer's con-
cerns is safety and the effect the
the roadway will have on traffic
movements on County Road 12
between old County Road 13
and Highway 169, where a six-
lane intersection will be
installed at the Main Street and
Highway 169 crossing. Maurer
is particularly concerned about
the short cutting he expects to
come through the former
Northbound Liquor site.
This section of County Road 12
is expected to have 17,000 cars
~t per day, Maurer said.
.ll Motin said he thinks the
ruad should be capped someday,
but not now. He suggested wait-
ing until 193rd Avenue is
extended to Tyler Street, which
will provide an alternative east-
west connection between Tyler
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The above map shows where the cul-de-sac on ing a cul-de-sac, city staff has been directed to
County Road .13 was proposed. Residents have old County Road 13 ''T'' into the new
objected and a 3-2 council majority voted to County Road 13 (Tyler Street) scheduled to be
delay capping the road. So instead of construct- built this year. (Map courtesy of city of Elk River)
.Avenue is situated between Maurer says the the constrnc- west roadways.
Coborn's and Time Out Bar and tion of a cul-de-sac on CSAH 13 One suggested School Street
Restaurant). would force traffic to travel one- be extended to the east through
Mayor Stephanie Klinzing half mile out of the way. He sald the Elk Hills housing develop-
agreed with Motin. leaving the road open would not menl.
The majority said use of the be worth the conflicts and eon- People also expressed concern
new county road would provide fus]~n ]t would add to the mter- over heavy trucks and increased
relief, and prevent traffic tram sect10n of Mam Street and traffic using 1971h Avenue
heading north to less desirable Highway 169. north of Menards to get to the
alternatives like 197th Avenue, Residents argued at open job site and homes. They called
County Road 21 and County mike at the June 12 counell for restrictions on this and other
Road 33 to get to Highway 169. meeting that leaving it open roads.
Meanwhile, residents would would not draw a parade oftraf- Maurer said someday 193rd
still have the option to use a fie, but allow locals the opportu- Avenue where Hillside Estates
shorter route to get to business- nity not to have go through the is bei';g developed, willbe
es along Highway 169. future home of a hghted mter- extended to the east with a
Thompson said the plan to section at County Road 12 and wide, urban-style road. How far
install the cul-de-sac was done the new County Road 13. out is unknown however
out of a concern for safety. A crowd had turned out to because Hlllside Es'tates is still
Members of the audience chid- make this and other points developing and there is a 40-
ed him, saying he must not related to east-side traffic con- acre parcel not slated to be
drive on the east side of cerns. People also expressed developed at this time.
Highway 169. . concern about the lack of east-