08-13-2018 CCM SPECIALSpecial Meeting of the Elk River City Council
Held at the Elk River City Hall
Monday, August 13, 2018
Members Present: Mayor Dietz, Councilmembers Olsen, Ovall, Westgaard, and Wagner
Members Absent: None
Staff Present: City Administrator Calvin Pormer, Finance Director Lori Ziemer,
Planning Manager Zack Carlton, Library Services Coordinator
Robbie Schake, Lead Patron Services Supervisor Brandi Canter,
Chief Ron Nierenhausen, Captain Darren McKernan, Captain Bob
Kluntz, Acting Fire Chief Aaron Surratt, Parks and Recreation
Manager Michael Hecker, Recreation Manager Steve Benoit, Arena
Manager Rich Czech, Community Development Director Suzanne
Fischer, Environmental Technician Amanda Bednar, Building
Official Bob Ruprecht, Liquor Store Manager Joe Audette, and
Recording Secretary Jennifer Green
I. Call Meeting to Order
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, the meeting of the Elk River City Council
was called to order at 4:02 p.m. by Mayor Dietz.
2. Pledge of Allegiance
The Pledge of Allegiance was recited.
4. Senior Center Facility Discussion
Mayor Dietz presented a statement outlining his suggestion for the future of the
senior activity center. His recommendation was appropriating $1.5 million dollars in
referendum funds to fix the current Senior Center. He stated a cost savings will be
realized by using the same construction manager and architect as the arena while it is
constructed. Mayor Dietz indicated that moving the seniors into the Arena/Rec
Center at a cost of $713,000 does not include at least $500,000 that would need to be
spent to fill the pond at the senior high school parking lot to provide additional
parking spots and doesn't feel the cost to move to the arena would not be
substantially less than the $1.5 million dollars.
Mayor Dietz suggested if the Senior Center remains operating in the same building
to reduce the number of employees from 2.5 to 1.5 and utilize volunteers and staff
from Parks & Recreation to fill in the gaps and be more involved in supporting
falhime staff to assist with scheduling, day trip support, and other needs. He also
stated he would request from the council requiring a required $25 yearly membership
fee for every senior who uses the building or goes on a trip, and he noted
membership fees could generate more than $25,000 per year and that money be set
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aside and be used in 5 years to purchase an adjacent parcel of land to be used for
additional parking. He stated all the seniors he's spoken to have been very vocal and
wants to stay at their facility, which has swayed his decision, noting that's a lot of
voters who won't support the referendum vote. He stated he's willing to sacrifice
something to ensure the seniors do vote in favor of the referendum as he doesn't
want to see the referendum vote fail.
Councilmember Westgaard stated there were a number of emails exchanged in the
past two weeks regarding this topic and one being the difference between the
amount of JLG's quote in 2016 of $1 million versus the 2018 quote of $2.5 million
received last week. He stated with this quote it's hard to say what's included and
what isn't, and wondered if it was for roof repairs and fire suppression systems
which can be costly to update in his experience. He stated these building update
funds are necessary and separate from programming needs. He stated he appreciates
the responses from the seniors, who seem to know their priorities, but his priority is
from a dollars and sense standpoint, noting more flexibility and opportunity for
funds could provide not only current senior needs but future needs in a greater space
if incorporated into the multipurpose facility. He stated the current sense of urgency
is to determine where the senior space will be located and how the space is laid out
in order for seniors to support the referendum. He felt dialog could continue if the
senior space was incorporated into the multipurpose facility and felt $1.7 million
could provide a lot more amenities and enhancements to the space. He said if there's
a desire or need for some of those spaces to be senior -specific, it needs to be
discussed to understand. He stated on the other hand, if the seniors want to stay
where they're at, program the amount at $1.5 or 1.7 million in order to not upset the
applecart. In terms of staffing and required membership fee, he wasn't sure if they
need to discuss that at this time but would look to Mr. Portner, Mr. Hecker and staff
as to what the programming needs are for FTEs. He felt the membership fee was
tough to impose because they don't charge a membership fee for other places in
town.
Mayor Dietz stated the membership fee could be similar to a fee charged by Parks &
Recreation for programming. He didn't think it was much to ask for a membership
fee.
Commissioner Westgaard asked for Mr. Jack Lorge's opinion.
Jack Lorge representing Activity Center seniors stated the seniors would like to
remain at the Activity Center "hands down, without a doubt." He asked for
clarification about a statement made by Mr. Portner regarding the value of the
activity center building and felt the most recent bid for repairs was out of line. He
felt the membership fee was reasonable noting St. Cloud charges a larger fee.
Mr. Portner indicated when JLG submitted their report they used staffs estimates
from the city's CIP of items like HVAC, roof, windows, and restrooms requiring
updating. He stated when 292 Design Group reviewed the building needs, they took
a much deeper look, and because 292 had recently reviewed another similar building
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built the same year and found asbestos and mold, it required deeper mitigation. He
stated they took those things into consideration when providing their estimate that
updated roofing and energy code requirements and the fire suppression system. Mr.
Portner stated the goal was how to make this building last another 40 years. He
asked Mayor Dietz about the decision to build a new library building instead of
expanding the building.
Mayor Dietz indicated they had the option of expanding the current building as the
building structure was sufficient, but chose to build new because the cost of new
construction wasn't that much different so they were able to acquire a more suitable
property, with the cost difference not that much higher.
Councilmember Westgaard stated a similar discussion of the community center
occurred in 2016, and much to the surprise of the council after discussions of the
economy and multi -programmable spaces, the voters spoke. He stated if seniors are
indicating they'd like the city to put money towards renovating their current facility,
maybe that's what the city should do.
Counciltnember Olsen stated current research reflects in smaller communities that
senior/activity centers don't flourish unless they're intermingled with other
generations, especially kids, and that's why he felt the YMCA would be a good
opportunity. He stated he sees a lot of kids when he attends the YMCA and he finds
it uplifting. He has read articles on loneliness and seniors, and he feels it's important
to intermingle generations. He feels concern with joining the senior center and the
multi-purpose facility, noting during the school year it's a busy place with traffic and
activity, and stated he felt seniors would prefer the comfortableness of the location
of the Activity Center. He suggested consulting with Mary Bauer, Community
Development Specialist with the Center Minnesota Council on Aging and he would
like to get her input. He would also like to continue exploring the YMCA option. He
said he had a brief conversation with Molly and the only thing holding it up was an
operational agreement. He stated he doesn't want to be short-sighted and wondered
why they needed a placeholder to lock in such firm decisions.
Councilmember Westgaard stated not having a placeholder leaves that user group in
the dark, noting the voters shouldn't be expected to vote for something when the
funds aren't delegated and a location isn't chosen, and that's the reason for the sense
of urgency.
Councilmember Wagner stated the information she's hearing this evening regarding
the seniors wish to stay in the Activity Center building is confusing because in 2016,
she had heard the senior's concerns and they were lack of parking and their space
wasn't big enough, but today, it's all just fine. In working to find a solution using the
overwhelming comments taken from that process to find a solution to those
comments, she's hearing they're not there anymore. But on Wednesday while on the
facility tour, she stated she overwhelmingly heard Annette say `the space is too small'
due to the number of people using the same, and felt they were outgrowing the
space. She said in trying to find the solution and hearing the tremendous feedback
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over 2 years ago asking the user groups about the facilities, she heard, "We want to
be together but I don't want to hear the pool players while I'm doing yoga." She
stated she's having a hard time understanding the senior's desire to stay in a building
when there are these types of complaints and she wants the users of the facility to be
happy. She felt the $1.5 million isn't solving the space issues, the parking concerns,
and the future programming needs; it's only fixing an aging building, and because
space is a big issue she didn't feel this is creating a building that will be usable for the
next 40 years. She stated this past week she kept hearing the Andover YMCA was a
great model and she wants to ask the group again: are we doing a disservice by not
looking into the YMCA to see if it's an option. She wants to find a solution that fits
the needs of the city for several decades to come. She said they've talked about their
desired location but they haven't addressed nor presented what the room spaces look
like and would like the senior's input on that regardless of the location.
Mr. Lorge stated the drawings presented last week for space in the arena were too
vague to make any determination and would like more information based on room
layout details and what they would be voting for. He stated it's hard to vote on 2,700
square feet of empty space. He requested the council get plans drawn to show the
seniors exactly what they're buying.
Councihnember Wagner agreed but stated they also need to be careful when asking
an architect draw up plans numerous times. She indicated this came up very quickly,
and trying to take in the information now of the seniors not wanting to leave the
Activity Center, she wants to make sure she's taking care of the entire 55+
community, and she feels they are trying to achieve that regardless of the location.
Mr. Lorge stated he wants to ensure the space continues to provide a community feel
and shared it was a life -preserver to him when he started attending the Activity
Center.
Councilmember Ovall stated he is obviously torn and seeing a 67% increase in costs
was a shock to him and one that he isn't happy about. He stated he needed time to
process that increase. He shared how he understands the fishbowl affect when an
environment is too small and limits potential, creating a space that's crowded and
unwelcoming. He hasn't been able to get sufficient evidence to see where the senior
centers are growing, staying the same, or declining, and perhaps when they decline
it's attributed to the area they operate within. That being said, he says they have
other seniors that come on board more independent and he feels responsible to
cover all types of users. He feels community is also a state of mind and behavior. He
stated he is still at a conundrum and would like to continue to discuss and review
options. He stated he spoke to four seniors since the last meeting and once he
explained more details and answered their questions, they were in support of the
referendum.
Mayor Dietz stated he is hearing uncertainty from the other councilmembers and
stated he thought they were supposed to make a decision tonight. He was concerned
with the timeline and literature being prepared for the public. He said he's fine to
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have a placeholder of $1.5 million for a senior center and to figure out the details
after the vote.
Councilmember Wagner stated she didn't think it was fair to hear the change in
details 35 minutes ago and the drawings presented last week for the multi-purpose
facility weren't detailed enough, so it was hard for her to support it. She said if she
had to choose A or B, she would choose the lower dollar figure but it wasn't that
simple after hearing from the seniors tonight. She asked if it was worth paying the
$100,000 fee to have plans drawn up by 292 Group and RJM Construction to
provide the seniors more detailed plans.
Councilmember Westgaard stated the architect fees don't add up that fast but the
construction document fees add up. He asked if Councilmember Wagner would be
willing to lead a group to meet with seniors in the next few weeks to receive their
priorities, and along with Tom Betti, 292 Design Group and Brian Recker with RJM
Construction draw up plans and schematics to illustrate their needs and the sense of
community desired by the user group. He stated if that's wasn't supported by the
voters, then he suggested the $1.5 converts back to the updating their current facility.
Councilmember Wagner indicated she would be happy to do it.
Councilmember Westgaard stated the space decisions don't have to be completely
solved by the end of September but can be worked on up until Election Day,
allowing the seniors to have an amended set of plans they can agree to and get
behind.
Mayor Dietz asked if the literature state $1.5 million spent either at the multipurpose
center or the current facility.
Councilmember Westgaard stated the budget is $1.5 million dollars and what they
saw from RJM was a small space appended onto the activity center building. He
stated the senior community space wasn't even considered in 2017 when laying out
the multipurpose facility. He said they have around two and half months to prepare
and while he doesn't want to speak on behalf of Tom Betti and Brian Recker, he
feels confident that they would be willing to meet with them to provide something
the community can get behind. He suggested that staff hold off on membership and
programming activities and just talk about visualization of space to find common
ground. He stated if they can't see themselves at the center, they consider how they'll
renovate the space at the Activity Center.
Mayor Dietz stated we may be setting ourselves up to fail the referendum as even if
the seniors vote no, the council would automatically keep them at the senior center.
Councilmember Westgaard stated it's one of those things that doesn't make sense to
him but it really is about representing the people that voted for them, and why aren't
they considering keeping them at the activity center if they are screaming to stay
there.
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Councilmember Wagner stated she can't say A or B right now and part of this
doesn't make sense to her either, but they are put in the position to represent the
residents and she is willing to put in the work to meet with 292 Design Group and
feels they will work together to find a solution alongside the seniors.
Jim Pepin, senior center representative, stated he concurred with Mr. Lorge and that
the 2,600 sq. feet of dedicated space was committed to the seniors. He also stated
Mayor Dietz's proposed membership fee of $25 is conservative, and felt the
acoustics are great in the Activity Center.
Councilmember Ovall stated if would be helpful to have Mr. Portner and staff also
discuss how programming would work within the space as he felt it important to
have that feedback of selling the vision that the programming would work. He asked
if the conversation of logistics have been discussed.
Mr. Portner stated they haven't discussed anything specifically but would have no
doubt staff is already thinking of possibilities.
It was the consensus of the create schematics with 292 Design Group with guidance
from Counciltnember Wagner and representatives from the senior community and
hold meetings to discuss activity center layout.
3. 2019 Budget
Ms. Ziemer presented the staff report. Each department reviewed their performance
measures and goals along with their budget.
Ice Arena
Mr. Czech presented a handout outlining his division performance measures and
goals for 2019 operating both sheets of ice. He indicated a `give and take' will have to
occur between groups to schedule ice time and if referendum passes, other groups
will have to find ice time elsewhere. He indicated the possibility of staff layoffs for
part of the time the ice sheet is down.
The council took a short recess at 5:42 p.m. and reconvened at 5:52 p.m.
Energy City
Councilmember Wagner requested a sponsor be found to provide funds for the solar
picnic table. Mayor Dietz stated he would ask ERMU to support half of the cost.
Gar�bane
Councilmember Wagner stated she would like to see use of the Recycle Coach app
double in order for her to continue supporting it.
Fire
It was the consensus of the council to allow a firefighter to come on board now in
light of a pending March 2019 retirement.
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Mayor Dietz requested the council meet in person with former Fire Chief T. John
Cunningham to discuss his recent request for additional wages. He would like to
revisit it at a time when he can be here. He stated he wasn't sure if it would change
their minds but would like him to have a chance to discuss points when Mr.
Cunningham is present. It was the consensus of the council to hold a work session
with former Chief Cunningham on September 4, 2018, to discuss his severance
request.
Mayor Dietz asked if employees can update their work phone voicemail message to
include their name so people know who they're reaching.
Mayor Dietz stated he has received calls from concerned fire fighters regarding the
job position description for the fire chief and requested the position description be
reviewed at the September 4 council meeting. He stated the fire fighter concerns
were that they'll be hiring an administrative -type chief and he wants to make sure the
job description is sufficient.
Mayor Dietz and Councilmember Westgaard will be absent for the August 20, 2018,
council meeting and Councilmember Ovall will be acting mayor.
5. Adjournment
There being no further business, Mayor Dietz adjourned the meeting of the Elk
River City Council at 8:06 p.m.
Minutes prVared by Jennifer Green.
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