01-26-1999 PC MIN
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MEETING OF THE ELK RIVER PLANNING COMMISSION
HELD AT ELK RIVER CITY HALL
TUESDAY, JANUARY 26, 1999
Members Present:
Chair Cote. Commissioners Chambers. Morris and Thompson.
Commissioner Kuester arrived at 6:50 p.m.
Members Absent:
Commissioners Mesich and Schuster
Staff Present:
Scott Harlicker. Assistant Planner; Debbie Huebner. Recording
Secretary
1. Call Meetino To Order
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof. the meeting of the Elk River Planning
Commission was called to order at 6:35 p.m. by Chair Cote.
2. Consider 1/26/99 Plannino Commission Aoenda
COMMISSIONER THOMPSON MOVED TO APPROVE THE JANUARY 26, 1999,
PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA WITH THE FOLLOWING ADDITION:
- ITEM 7.2. - COMMISSIONER THOMPSON ITEM REGARDING AMOCO STATION
LIGHTING
COMMISSIONER MORRIS SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED 4-0.
3. Consider Consent Aoenda
COMMISSIONER THOMPSON MOVED TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS
FOLLOWS:
- REQUEST BY CITY OF ELK RIVER FOR ORDINANCE AMENDMENT REGARDING OPEN
SPACE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, PUBLIC HEARING CASE NO. OA 98-3 -
POSTPONED TO 2/23/99)
COMMISSIONER CHAMBERS SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIERO 4-0.
4.a. Consider 12/22/98 Plan nino Commission Minutes
COMMISSIONER THOMPSON MOVED TO APPROVE THE DECEMBER 22. 1998,
MINUTES. COMMISSIONER CHAMBERS SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION
CARRIED 4-0.
4.b.
Consider 01 /08/1999 Special Annual Meetino Minutes
COMMISSIONER THOMPSON MOVED TO APPROVE THE JANUARY 8. 1999 MINUTES.
COMMISSIONER CHAMBERES SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED 4-0.
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Plan nino Commission Representative to Attend 2/16/99 City Council Meetina
Commissioner Thompson will attend the February 16. 1999 City Council meeting.
Commissioner Kuester arrived at this time (6:50 p.m.)
6.1.
Reauest by Gordon Mire Jr. for Conditional Use Permit for Parkina of Semi Truck -
Public Hearina Case No. CU 99-1
Staff report presented by Scott Harlicker. Gordon Mire Jr. has requested a
conditional use permit to park and store a semi-tractor and trailer on his property
at 17753 Fillmore Street. Scott noted that the City Council recently adopted an
ordinance regulating parking and storage of large commercial vehicles in
residential areas. The new ordinance requires a conditional use permit to park
and store semi-tractors and trailers on property with less than 5 acres in the R1 a
(Single Family Residential) zoning district. Scott indicated that staff will work with
the applicant regarding the condition in staff's recommendations for screening
with 6 foot evergreens and shrubs. He noted that he received one phone from a
nearby resident regarding outside storage of debris and staff will work with the
applicant on this issue, also. He noted that the applicant is proposing to build a
pole building which will hopefully alleviate this situation. Scott indicated that staff
recommends approval of the request with the conditions outlined in the staff
report.
Chair Cote opened the public hearing.
Gordon Mire, 17753 Fillmore street. applicant, indicated that he would only park
semi trailers on his property occasionally, noting that last month he only had to
park a trailer 4 times. Mr. Mire stated that the items currently being stored outside
would be parked inside upon completion of his pole building. Also, he explained
that he routinely collects miscellaneous metal which is stored up against his shed
and is removed each spring through the city's annual clean up day. In regards to
staff's recommendation for screening with evergreens, Mr. Mire stated that he
has planted trees several times in the proposed location and has been unable to
get the them to grow. Also, he felt that 6 foot evergreens or a 6 foot fence would
not screen the truck, which is about 13 feet high.
Sheryl Koval, 17704 Cleveland Street, stated she has no complaints and has had
no problems with Mr. Mire parking his semi in the neighborhood.
There being no further public comment, Chair Cote closed the public hearing.
Discussion followed regarding staff's recommendation for planting of trees as a
means of screening. Chair Cote indicated he did not feel the screening was
necessary, since the trees would only be screening the truck from the county
road.
COMMISSIONER THOMPSON MOVED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST
BY GORDON MIRE JR. FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO PARK A SEMI-TRACTOR
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AND TRAILER ON A RESIDENTIAL (R1A) PROPERTY WITH THE FOLLOWING
CONDITIONS:
1. THAT THE OUTSIDE TRASH AND DEBRIS BE REMOVED FROM THE SITE BY MAY 1 ST,
1999.
2. THAT BOTH THE SEMI-TRACTOR AND TRAILOR BE PARKED ON DUST-FREE, ALL-
WEATHER SURFACE WITH PROPER SURFACE DRAINAGE, AS REQUIRED BY THE CITY
ENGINEER.
3. THAT THE NEW DRIVEWAY BE A MAXIMUM WIDTH OF 30 FEET MEASURED AT THE
STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY.
4. THAT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS BE A MINIMUM OF 20 FEET.
COMMISSIONER CHAMBERS SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED 4-0.
6.2.
Reauest by Oooidan for Amendment to PUD Sian Aareement. Public Hearina
Case No. P A 98-1
Staff report presented by Scott Harlicker. Oppidan has requested an
amendment to the Planned Unit Development sign agreement for Elk Park Center
to allow three wall signs for Leeann Chin restaurant at the intersection of 191 sl
Avenue and Freeport Street (former Wendy's Restaurant site). A Hollywood
Video will occupy the east portion of the new building and Leeann Chin will
occupy the west portion. Scott reviewed the reason for the request. He provided
photographs of the site taken from different locations. Staff recommends denial
of the request for the PUD amendment to have additional sign, stating that the
sign will not enhance visibility of the site.
Chair Cote opened the public hearing.
Leah Greenwood, representing Leann Chin, stated that they are comfortable with
the logo signage that has been approved on the north and south elevation and
they are not requesting the additional sign. She indicated Leann Chin is
requesting approval of the full window vinyl and awning characters and
stenciling. Ms. Greenwood noted that other businesses within the PUD have
neon signage within their window in addition to their wall signage. She indicated
she will be submitting a revised request which will include lettering on the canopy
for the restaurant.
There being no further comments from the public. Chair Cote closed the public
hearing.
The representative from Leann Chin indicated a letter will be forthcoming from
Oppidan, withdrawing their request.
COMMISSIONER THOMPSON MOVED TO TABLE THE REQUEST BY OPPIDAN FOR AN
AMENDMENT TO THE PUD SIGN AGREEMENT FOR ELK PARK CENTER TO ALLOW THREE
(3) WALL SIGNS FOR THE LEEANN CHIN RESTAURANT TO THE FEBRUARY 23, 1999,
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. COMMISSIONER CHAMBERS SECONDED THE
MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED 4-0.
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6.3. Reauest by Tony Emmerich of Country Ridae Inc. for Preliminary Plat Approval for
Preliminary Plat approval of Country Crossina Business Center Third Addition
staff report presented by Scott Harlicker. Country Ridge, Inc. has requested
preliminary plat approval to subdivide Outlot A of Country Crossing Business
Center Second Addition into two lots, Lot 1 (6 acres) and Lot 2 (7.97 acres). Scott
reviewed issues regarding buffering, access. drainage and utilities. Staff
recommends approval of the preliminary plat with the conditions outlined in the
staff report.
Terry Maurer indicated that the site will be served by utilities off of Business Center
Drive. He noted that utilities were stubbed in assuming there would be one user.
Since there will now be two lots. it will now be necessary to obtain easements to
serve each of lots. He recommended adding a condition that development of
the lots follow the approved overall drainage plan for Country Crossing Business
Center.
Chair Cote suggested an additional condition that the easements be provided
for the public utilities on both lots. Terry indicated that when a development
proposal is reviewed for either of the lots. looping of the watermain will be
discussed at that time.
Chair Cote opened the public hearing.
Tammy White oak, 18331 Naples Street, stated she would like to see two rows of
pine trees planted as a buffer from the development. in addition to the berming.
She explained that the recommendation for berming along 183rd does nothing to
buffer her property. Chair Cote noted that this issue can be taken into
consideration when a development proposal for the site is reviewed.
Ann Olson, 18363 Naples Street, requested that trees or a fence be installed to
separate the residential from the business park.
Dick Nelson, 18276 Kent Street, questioned what type of uses are permitted on
the site. Scott indicated that a copy of the uses that are allowed in a business
park will be mailed to him.
There being no further comments from the public, Chair Cote closed the public
hearing.
Commissioner Kuester suggested condition NO.1 of staff's recommendations be
modified to include the adjacent Naples Street residences.
COMMISSIONER KUESTER MOVED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BY
COUNTRY RIDGE, INC. FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL (COUNTRY CROSSING
BUSINESS CENTER THIRD ADDITION), PUBLIC HEARING CASE NO. P 99-2 WITH THE
FOLLOWING CONDITIONS:
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THAT A BUFFER STRIP CONSISTING OF EARTH BERMING AND PLANTING BE
INSTALLED ALONG 183RD AVENUE AND OTHER ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL
PROPERTY, AT THE TIME THE PARCELS ARE DEVELOPED.
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2. THAT VEHICULAR ACCESS BE LIMITED TO BUSINESS CENTER DRIVE
3. THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF LOTS FOLLOW THE APPROVED DRAINAGE PLAN
FOR COUNTRY CROSSING BUSINESS CENTER.
4. EASEMENTS FOR PUBLIC UTILITIES SHALL BE PROVIDED AT THE TIME OF FINAL
PLAT.
COMMISSIONER CHAMBERS SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
6.4.
Reauest by Art Peterson for Preliminary Plat Aooroval (Star Liaht Estates!. Public
Hearina Case No. P 99-3
Staff report by Scott Harlicker. Art Peterson has requested preliminary plat
approval to plat 16.29 acres into one 2.5 acre residential lot with an existing
house. and a 13.35 acre outlot. The proposed outlot is currently farmed and will
continue to be farmed. The outlot is proposed to be subdivided into possibly five
2.5 acre lots in the future and will be accessed by a 60 foot wide strip that
extends out to Meadowvale Road. Staff suggests shifting the 60 foot access to
the east side of lot 1 to create more distance from the intersection of
Meadowvale Road and Pascal Street. Staff also recommends the access to the
existing home be onto the proposed roadway. rather than creating a new
access onto the county road. Scott noted that no comments have been
received from the county. Staff recommends approval of the preliminary plat
with the conditions outlined in the staff report.
Terry Maurer indicated he has no concerns at this time with grading or drainage
and that those issues will be addressed at the time the outlot is platted.
Scott stated that the St. Louis Park Sportsmans Club owns the property to the
north. The City's ordinance prohibits the discharge of weapons within 500 feet of
any building or the boundary of any platted area. He explained that an
interpretation must be made regarding whether or not Outlot A is considered
platted at this time. or. when it is platted into buildable lots. He noted that a
representative of the St. Louis Park Sportsmans Club was in the audience to
address some of their concerns.
Commissioner Kuester questioned if another access to the plat was possible.
Scott indicated that the only option would be if the Gun Club at some point
decided to sell some of their property to the east for development.
Chair Cote opened the public hearing.
Art Peterson, applicant, stated that the city originally recommended the location
of the 60 foot road access and it was also approved by the county. He
explained that the location was recommended because it was approximately in
the center of Outlot A. He explained that the roadway is already built up and is
being used as an access by both Lot 1 and Tract A. He questioned how Tract A
would access County Road No. 1 if the roadway was moved to the east side of
Lot 1.
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Terry Maurer indicated that if the county has already approved the driveway, the
city would consent to the location.
Harry Stevens, representing the st. Louis Park Sportsmans Club, distributed a letter
regarding their concerns the new plat may have on the shotgun range at the
gun club. Mr. stevens referenced Section 404.12.2(b) and Section 404.12.(c) of
the City of Elk River's ordinance which prohibits the discharge of dangerous
weapons within five hundred feet of any building or the boundary of any platted
area. He explained that the range is located 250 feet from the property line of
the proposed Outlot A, and homes could potentially be as close as 300 feet from
the shotgun range. Mr. Stevens indicated he is unclear as to whether or not
Outlot A is considered "platted" at this time, or, when it is subdivided into
buildable lots. He suggested that a means be established to notify potential
homeowners of the location of the shotgun range.
Chair Cote questioned who would decide this issue. Scott Harlicker indicated
that the City Council would ultimately make the decision. Chair Cote further
questioned if it would be possible to implement some type of notification which is
tied to the property for future property owners. Scott explained that the city
attorney previously advised against such a procedure on a different issue,
because of the possibility the city may have some liability.
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Commissioner Kuester questioned whether or not Outlot A will be considered
platted. Scott indicated an interpretation from the police department is needed
to make a determination on the intent of the ordinance.
Mr. Stevens explained that all the other ranges within the gun club are well within
the minimum five hundred feet. Commissioner Chambers asked what direction
the range faces. Mr. Stevens stated the gun range faces northward.
Commissioner Thompson felt it was not appropriate to add a condition regarding
a waiver or official notification without an opinion from the city attorney. Chair
Cote suggested the following recommendation to the City Council:
- Consider a waiver of Section 404.12. (b)
- That staff determine appropriate measures to adequately notify future property
owners of the St. Louis Park Sportsmans Club, in order to address the Elk River
Firearms Ordinance Section 404.12.3 (c)
There being no further comments from the public, Chair Cote closed the public
hearing.
COMMISSIONER THOMpSON MOVED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION
RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BY ART PETERSON FOR PRELIM NARY PLAT
APPROVAL OF STAR LIGHT ESTATES, PUBLIC HEARING CASE NO. P 99-3, WITH THE
FOLLOWING CONDITIONS:
1. AT THE TIME THE STREET TO SERVICE OUTLOT A IS CONSTRUCTED, THE CURRENT
COMBINED ACCESS TO LOT 1 AND TRACT A FROM COUNTY ROAD 32 BE
ELIMINATED AND ACCESS BE PROVIDED FROM THE NEW CITY STREET.
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2. ALL COMMENTS OF THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE COUNTY ENGINEER BE
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ADDRESSED IN THE FINAL PLAT; AND,
FURTHER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THAT THE COUNCIL DIRECT
STAFF TO DETERMINE AN APPROPRIATE MEANS TO ADDRESS SECTION 404.12.2.B.
AND 404.12.3.C. REGARDING THE ST. LOUIS SPORTSMANS CLUB.
Commissioner Chambers questioned if the shared driveway for Tract A could be
moved to the east. Terry Mauer stated he would not recommend contradicting
the county's transportation plan which currently designates the roadway to the
west. Terry suggested that a condition be added to incorporate comments in
the final plat when they are received from the county engineer.
THE MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
Commissioner Kuester questioned if there was some urgency to have this plat
approved. Mr. Peterson indicated that his daughter must sell the house and in
order for her to sell, he needs to split the property.
Scott clarified the proposed condition no. 2 for Commissioner Chambers.
Commissioner Kuester indicated she did not understand the need for condition
no. 2.
Commissioner Chambers expressed his concern for the limited distance of the
access to the plat from the intersection of Meadowvale and Pascal.
Commissioner Morris felt the issue of the firearms ordinance needs to be
addressed.
COMMISSIONER KUESTER MOVED TO POSTPONE ACTION ON THE REQUEST BY ART
PETERSON FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR STAR LIGHT ESTATES TO THE
FEBRUARY 23, 1999, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, IN ORDER TO OBTAIN
COMMENTS FROM THE COUNTY ENGINEER REGARDING THE ROAD ACCESS, AND,
INFORMATION REGARDING THE IMPACT OF THE CITY'S FIREARMS ORDINANCE ON
THE PROPOSED PLAT. COMMISSIONER THOMPSON SECONDED THE MOTION. THE
MOTION CARRIED 4-1. Chair Cote opposed.
6.5. Reauest by Phoenix Enterprises for Rezonina (Hillside 9th), Public Hearinq Case No.
ZC 98-5
6.6. Request by Phoenix Enterprises for Preliminary Plat Approval (Hillside 9th), Public
Hearinq Case No. P 98-5
6.7. Request by Phoenix Enterprises for Conditional Use Permit (Hillside 9th), Public
Hearina Case No. CU 98-21
Staff report presented by Scott Harlicker. Phoenix Enterprises has requested a
rezoning to PUD (Planned Unit Development), a preliminary plat of 43 acres for 61
single family lots, and a conditional use permit for a planned unit development
for Hillside Estates 9th Addition.
Scott reviewed existing conditions, issues related to wetlands, streets, park
dedication and trails, landscaping and tree protection, grading, drainage and
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utility plans. Scott indicated that the plans will need to be revised but that the
applicant has requested the public hearing to receive public comment. Staff
recommends that the requests be continued until the February 23rd Planning
Commission meeting.
Terry Maurer reviewed issues related to grading and utilities. He indicated that
the developer has requested he be allowed to grade the building sites as the lots
are sold. Terry indicated that he is requesting the developer to show the grading
plan for the entire site. Terry also explained the issue of the using the street right of
way for a temporary pond. He felt this may cause a problem with surrounding
homeowners when the roadway is constructed.. Terry suggested that a sign be
placed indicating the future street location. Also, he indicated that the utility
plan does not show looping and easements which will be necessary for routing
utilities which are outside of the street right of way. Terry noted the pond located
at the north end will be designed with no outlet.
Chair Cote questioned how the individual grading of the lots will be
accomplished. Terry Maurer explained that there will be an overall grading plan
and a development plan which will establish the elevations for each lot. If a
builder wants to change the approved elevation, he will have to request a
modification to the plan.
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Commissioner Kuester asked what is planned for the power line easement. Scott
indicated a trail is planned to extend to 193rd and then go east. He noted that
the trail will be installed as part of the development. Commissioner Kuester asked
what is the status of outlots E and C. Terry indicated Outlot C will be a pond and
Outlot E is the remainder of the power line corridor. Terry felt that Outlot E would
not be of any use other than an extension of the trail corridor.
Chair Cote opened the public hearing.
Dave Crocker, 19422 Auburn Street, expressed his concern for the traffic on
Auburn Street. He felt the speeding vehicles were creating a dangerous situation
for residents and especially, the children. He noted that speed bumps were
considered by the Council previously, but the residents felt this would only cause
drivers to accelerate between the speed bump areas. Mr. Crocker felt the outlot
area should be used to create a cul-de-sac to divide the northern and southern
portions of Auburn Street.
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Terry Maurer indicated the developer did not have a problem with the proposal
to cul-de-sac Auburn Street. but he does not wish to absorb the cost. Terry noted
that a public meeting with the residents will be scheduled within the next month
or so, depending upon progress of this development proposal.
Gary Wieber, 19438 Auburn Street, questioned why he did not receive notice of
the Hillside 9th public hearing. Terry Maurer indicated that Mr. Wieber was likely
on the list of property owners for Hillside 8th Addition and not for Hillside 9th. He
noted that an additional notice will be mailed since this issue will be postponed
until the February Planning Commission meeting. Mr. Wieber expressed his
concern with the traffic on Auburn. Terry indicated that he was not sure when
the cul-de-sac would be built and the developer will be required to submit a
phasing plan.
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Chair Cote excused himself from his position as Chair of the Planning Commission
at this time.
Doran Cote, 19407 Auburn Street, concurred with the two residents regarding the
traffic concerns on Auburn Street and indicated his is looking to the City and the
developer for resolution of this issue.
Chair Cote returned to his position as Chair at this time.
Chair Cote noted that the public hearing on this issue will be continued to the
February 23, 1999, Planning Commission meeting.
Terry Maurer asked for comments from the Commission regarding the Hillside 9th
Addition proposal.
Chair Cote indicated he supported the median islands, but he also realized that
there is a maintenance issue. He asked if the medians and "eye brow" cui de
sacs will be landscaped. Terry indicated the median island would be
landscaped but the eye brow cui de sacs would have to have some very low
maintenance shrubbery, at best.
Commissioner Kuester asked if there would be a sidewalk on the south side of
193rd. Terry indicated that there is nothing to connect with. Commissioner Kuester
indicated she had a concern how residents would get to the sidewalk from the
south side. Commissioner Kuester asked for clarification on the cui de sacs
discussed for Auburn. Terry Maurer explained how the two cui sacs would be
constructed back to back, and still allow an option for an emergency vehicle to
cut through. Terry also explained that the outlot from one of the former Hillside
Additions would become Lot 1 of Hillside 9th Addition.
Terry Maurer questioned whether or not the Planning Commission would support
the temporary pond in the street right of way. Chair Cote indicated he felt it will
be an issue to put in the street, after it has once been a pond. Commissioner
Kuester felt the ponding area should be located where lots are proposed, rather
than where a street is proposed. She also was concerned the trail would be
impact Lot 33.
Chair Cote suggested incorporating Outlot C and E into the park some way. The
developer indicated that the Park and Recreation Commission has only asked for
the 50 foot trail.
Commissioner Kuester questioned how the wetland will affect Lots 17 and 18.
Terry indicated it would depend upon what type of wetland it was and whether
or not it could be filled.
Discussion followed regarding the double and triple frontage lots.
COMMISSIONER THOMPSON MOVED TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE
REQUESTS BY PHOENIX ENTERPRISES FOR REZONING, PRELIMINARY PLAT AND
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO THE FEBRUARY 23, 1999, PLANNING COMMISSION
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MEETING. COMMISSIONER MORRIS SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIED
5-0.
7.1. Uodate on January 19, 1999. City Council Meetina
Scott Harlicker updated the Commissioners on action taken on planning items at
the January 19. 1999. City Council meeting.
7.2. Commissioner Thommon Item - Amoco Station Liahtina
Commissioner Thompson questioned whether or not the lighting below the
canopy at the new Amoco on Highway 169 and 1971h Avenue was approved as
part of the conditional use permit. Commissioner Thompson felt the lighting was
very obtrusive and was surprised the resident to the north has not complained
since the lighting shines directly onto their property.
Scott Harlicker indicated he would inspect the site and determine whether or not
the lighting is conforming.
8. Adiournment
There being no further business. COMMISSIONER KUESTER MOVED TO ADJOURN THE
MEETING. COMMISSIONER THOMPSON SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION
CARRIED 5-0.
. The meeting of the Elk River Planning Commission adjourned at 8:45 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Debbie Huebner
Recording Secretary
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