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� Meeting of the
River Elk River Planning Commission
Held at Elk River City Hall
Tuesday, February 26, 2019
Members Present: Chair Eric Johnson, Commissioners Jill Larson-Vito,John Jordan,
Mike Nicholas,Robert Rydberg,Alexander Feinstein, and Brad Thiel
Members Absent: None
Staff Present: Senior Planner Chris Leeseberg and Recording Secretary Katie
Porath
Also Present: City Council T.iaison Nate Ovall (arrived at 6:31 p.m.)
I. Call Meeting to Order
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof,the meeting of the Elk River Planning
Commission was called to order at 6:30 p.m. by Chair Johnson.
2. Consider February 26, 2019, Planning Commission Agenda
• Moved by Commissioner Rydberg and seconded by Commissioner Thiel to
approve the February 26,2019, Planning Commission agenda.
Motion carried 7-0.
3. Consider January 29, 2019, Planning Commission Minutes
Moved by Commissioner Larson-Vito and seconded by Commissioner
Feinstein to approve the January 29, 2019, Planning Commission minutes.
Motion carried 7-0.
4.1. Commercial Kennels in C3 District
• Ordinance Amendment, Case No. OA 19-01
Mr.Leeseberg presented the staff report.
Chair Johnson opened the public hearing. There being no one to speak, Chair
Johnson closed the public hearing.
Moved by Commissioner Feinstein and seconded by Commissioner Jordan to
recommend approval of the Ordinance Amending Section 30-1024,Highway
• Commercial District of the City of Elk River, Minnesota, City Code as
outlined in the staff report.
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Motion carried 7-0. •
4.2. Temporary Signs
■ Ordinance Amendment, Case No. OA 19-02
Mr. Leeseberg presented the staff report.
Commissioner Rydberg asked why staff recommended cutting back the number of
days a temporary non-profit sign could be displayed from 30 days to 14 days. He
asked if it stemmed from a complaint.
Mr.Leeseberg responded the goal was to reduce the amount of signage on
properties. Reducing the number of days was not complaint driven but was staff
recommendation.
Commissioner Rydberg heard from a few local businesses that two weeks is not
enough time to advertise an event. He believes 30 days should be a minimum.
Commissioner Larson-Vito agreed 14 days did not seem like enough time for people
to register for an event as the goal of these signs was to get as much visibility as
possible as advertising. She asked if there is not a current issue with the time frame,
why is staff requesting to change it.
Mr.Leeseberg stated one reason was the shorter time frame would allow more •
events to be advertised on a property since only one sign can be there at a time. He
stated another reason was the city's goal of beautification and excess signs can be
unattractive.
Commissioner Thiel stated sign advertising probably wasn't the organization's only
form of advertisement. He agreed the 14-day restriction made sense and excess signs
were not attractive.
Chair Johnson clarified currently businesses could have signs for 30 days but any
time over that would count against their 90-days allowed and the new proposal
would count against their 90 days after 14 days. He stated during this time they could
not put up a temporary sign for their own business but would be advertising for the
non-profit event.
Mr.Leeseberg reiterated the proposal was to reduce the saturation of signs and was
not based on complaints.
Chair Johnson saw some advantage to a business being able to put up signs for
multiple events on a faster rotation but felt some businesses would still be able to
find a loophole.
Mr.Leeseberg reminded the commission it was the prerogative of the business •
owner what timeframe they would allow the sign to be displayed on their property.
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Commissioner Rydberg suggested leaving it up to the landowner to regulate the
amount of time a sign is up. He stated he does not see where the limitation helps the
situation and may,instead,hurt organizations.
Commissioner Jordan cited past experience with cities with no sign control versus
hyper-restrictive regulations. He hopes Elk River might be somewhere in between
and feels the 30 day limit helps add to the charm of Elk River by promoting
community events.
Chair Johnson opened the public hearing.
Debbi Rydberg, Executive Director for the Chamber of Commerce, 509 Highway
10, spoke on behalf of businesses and non-profits in Elk River. She stated there are
not very many ways beyond signage to get the word out about events. She said signs
are typically rented for 30 days so people would have to move their sign to a
different location after the proposed 14-day time period. She indicated there are also
a limited amount of usable spaces for signs to be placed since they are most valuable
in high traffic areas.
There being no one else to speak, Chair Johnson closed the public hearing.
• Chair Johnson felt limiting the sign placement to 14 days may allow advertising in
more popular spaces. He asked how many non-profits there may be seeking sign
space at one time.
Commissioner Rydberg thought there may be 4-5 at a time. He feels the policing of
the signs should be the role of the landowner and asked why the commission is
dealing with a problem that is not a problem. Commissioner Rydberg discussed an
example of signs being up for extended periods of times and no one pays attention
to them after two weeks.
Mr.Leeseberg agreed a business could decide to only allow the signage on their
property for less than 30 days if they desired.
The consensus of the commissioner was to keep the duration of temporary signage
at 30 days.
Moved by Commissioner Larson-Vito and seconded by Commissioner Jordan
to recommend approval of the Ordinance Amending Section 30-1867,District
Regulations of the City of Elk River,Minnesota, City Code, to remove deposit
language and amend the location of temporary signs.
Motion carried 7-0.
• 4.3. Home Occupations
■ Ordinance Amendment, Case No. OA I9-03
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Mr. Leeseberg presented the staff report. •
Chair Johnson opened the public hearing.
Debbi Rydberg asked Mr.Leeseberg why he was limiting the amount of customers
to five per day. She also had an issue with recommending doors and windows remain
closed. She wonders what is driving this and if there are concerns or issues, noting
she would hate to see restrictions placed on businesses that want to grow out of their
homes.
There being no one else to speak, Chair Johnson closed the public hearing.
Mr. Leeseberg addressed the proposed change to five customers per day citing
frequent complaints of high traffic volumes from residents living near home
businesses. He stated if the business wants more than five customers they could
request a Conditional Use Permit (CUP). He clarified residential districts are not
incubators for businesses.
Mr.Leeseberg responded to the question about windows and doors remaining closed
and asked what volume is considered too noisy.
Commissioner Rydberg responded that the city has a noise ordinance in place.
Mr.Leeseberg stated it is hard to monitor and quantify a noise ordinance complaint. •
Chair Johnson considered the home businesses that have come before the
commission and stated the proposal for doors and windows remaining shut was
likely due to noise and smells.
Mr.Leeseberg agreed it has to be quantifiable.
Commissioner Rydberg said that,rather than telling people they can't do it, couldn't
residents address the commission for mitigation.
Commissioner Larson-Vito clarified mitigation would not come to the commission
since this issue would be administrative. She stated she has heard from a resident
who had a tax office out of his home and his neighbor would report him when he
had his windows open. She asked if this ordinance amendment would cause conflict
where there currently was none.
Chair Johnson said the recommendation of having windows and doors closed should
be removed and neighbors should file a complaint if noises are too loud.
Commissioner Rydberg added the commission should not be in the business of
telling people how to run their business.
Chair Johnson stated the ordinance protects in a residential area. •
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• Commissioner Rydberg said the ordinance read like a Home Owners Association
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(HOA) agreement.
Commissioner Thiel had concerns with having lots of cars driving and parking in the
neighborhood and asked at what point should they rent an office space. He said the
windows and doors being open or closed could be subjective depending on the type
of business.
Chair Johnson stated there are always exceptions through the CUP process and some
residential properties are more suited for business.
Councilmember Ovall commented on the number of allowable customers per day.
He asked if a piano teacher who has a dozen students between the hours of 5-8 p.m.
would have to get a CUP.
Mr. Leeseberg stated the proposed change was for high traffic concerns.
Chair Johnson agreed the majority of complaints have been in regard to traffic and
blocking driveways.
Councilmember Ovall asked if the number of customers should be five at one time
• or five throughout the day. He asked about a person who holds class for a dozen
Pilates students a few times per day. He felt the city should be looking for more
effective administrative action and he feels this would be regulating minute details.
Chair Johnson asked Mr. Leeseberg how many home businesses are"rubber
stamped through"per year.
Mr.Leeseberg responded approximately 4-5 per year. He added the goal was to
loosen up some of the restrictions and address traffic concerns and this amendment
would apply to all residential districts.
Commissioner Jordan didn't understand the increase in traffic argument and felt two
additional cars per hour did not seem to him like a traffic issue, citing the example of
childcares that often have more than five customers.
Mr.Leeseberg responded that childcares are regulated by the state.
Commissioner Jordan continued that the proposed ordinance changes make it seem
much more restrictive and he will not support the closure of doors and windows.
Commissioner Rydberg addressed the proposed ordinance change in regards to the
number of motor vehicles allowed on site and whether that meant they should not
be seen.
• Mr. Leeseberg said the preference was the vehicles are inside but the way it is written
they could be screened by a fence.
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Chair Johnson was fine with it saying"not visible". III
Commissioner Larson-Vito asked if the current ordinance regulates where vehicles
are parked on a property.
Mr. Leeseberg stated vehicle parking is allowable on approved surfaces only.
Commissioner Rydberg suggested the city regulate businesses from a proactive
approach,reminding them of potentially pertinent noise and waste regulations,rather
than waiting until after they've received a complaint.
Chair Johnson suggested adding"from the property line" to the section of the
proposed ordinance changes stipulating that the motor vehicles should be not be
visible from the property line.
Chair Johnson also addressed the section pertaining to the number of customers per
day. He asked if for example a piano teacher were giving 30 minute lessons,it could
add up to more than five pupils per day. He suggested changing the number to two
vehicles at a given point and wondered if it could be restricted to two vehicles per
driveway. However,he also commented people going to a home business typically
don't park in the driveway of the business.
Mr.Leeseberg said a complaint from the police department has been that vehicles III
park partially on the sidewalk.
Chair Johnson asked if the commission was being ultra-restrictive.
Commissioner Rydberg asked how the amount of vehicles at any one time could be
reviewed.
Chair Johnson stated the commission had to have a standard.
Commissioner Jordan felt the issue had become convoluted and it should perhaps be
tabled.
Commissioner Thiel stated the current ordinance was restrictive and,by taking out
or modifying these sections,it may be better.
Commissioner Larson-Vito suggested looking at a clean copy of the proposed
ordinance with the changes the commission had discussed.
The Commission reviewed the changes they agreed and disagreed with. They were
fine with the home occupation operating in a detached structure.They proposed
removing the section pertaining to restricting customers to five per day. They agreed
with the section increasing the number of pupils from two to five.They adjusted the
hours proposed to 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m., seven days a week. Up to five motor III
vehicles can be allowed on site provided they are not visible from the property line.
The Commission felt the recommendation that all doors and windows shall be
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closed while the occupation is in operation seemed too restrictive and proposed
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removing it.
Council Liaison asked if Number 12 in the ordinance regarding the operation of
wholesale or retail business included something such as an Etsy business.
Mr. Leeseberg said yes and it does not permit a retail store where products could be
purchased by customers on site.
Commissioner Jordan shared that in a former city there was a boutique which
operated out of its home every weekend.
Mr. Leeseberg stated he has heard residents consider this a "garage sale".
Moved by Commissioner Larson-Vito and seconded by Commissioner Jordan
to postpone the approval of the Ordinance Amending Section 30-801, Home
Occupations,to the March 26,2019, Planning Commission Meeting.
Motion carried 7-0.
4.4. Rezone all C4 Community Commercial Districts to C3 Highway
Commercial
• • Ordinance Amendment, Case No. ZC 19-01
Mr. Leeseberg presented the staff report.
Chair Johnson opened the public hearing. There being no one present to speak,
Chair Johnson closed the public hearing.
Moved by Commissioner Larson-Vito and seconded by Commissioner
Nicholas to recommend approval of the Ordinance Amending the City of Elk
River Zoning Map of the City of Elk River, Minnesota, to rezone all C4
Community Commercial districts to C3 Highway Commercial as outlined in
the staff report.
Motion carried 7-0.
4.5 River Walk— 17354 Zane St. NW—continued from January 29, 2019
• Zone Change—from FAST to PUD, Case No. ZC 18-05
• Conditional Use Permit to Establish a PUD, Case No. CU 18-15
Mr.Leeseberg presented the staff report and requested these items be continued to
the March 26, 2019,Planning Commission meeting.
1111 Chair Johnson stated the public hearing remained open from the previous month's
continuances and asked for a motion that the public hearings be continued for each
item until March 26,2019.
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Moved by Commissioner Thiel and seconded by Commissioner Nicholas to
approve the request by Patrick Briggs and Dan Andersen to continue the
public hearing for the River Walk Zone Change ZC 18-05 to the March 26,
2019, Planning Commission meeting.
Motion carried 7-0.
Moved by Commissioner Thiel and seconded by Commissioner Nicholas to
approve the request by Patrick Briggs and Dan Andersen to continue the
public hearing for the Conditional Use Permit CU 18-15 to the March 26,2019,
Planning Commission meeting.
Motion carried 7-0.
5.1 City Council Liaison Update
Councilmember Ovall updated the Planning Commission on recent items heard at
the February 19,2019,City Council meeting.
Councilmember Ovall discussed the council's review of the request by ResCare for a
CUP and the council's decision to approve the CUP to allow establishment of an
Institutional use at 633 Upland Ave NW. He stated the council held a work session •
to discuss the definition of`institutional". Based on staff research,the Planning
Commission should see this item at a future meeting where the council looks for
assistance in breaking down the definition of institutional and which zones to put
them in to avoid a situation like this in the future.
Mr.Leeseberg stated the commission would see this item at a March work session.
5.2 Appoint Planning Commission representative to serve on
Administrative Hearing Board
Commissioner Larson-Vito has been serving on the Administrative Hearing Board
and stated she would be willing to continue serving.
Moved by Chair Johnson and seconded by Commissioner Jordan to appoint
Planning Commissioner Jill Larson-Vito to serve as Planning Commission
representative on the Administrative Hearing Board.
Motion carried 7-0.
6. Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 7:35 p.m.
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