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04-22-1986 PC MIN .) , (' . ,I REGULAR MEETING OF THE ELK RIVER PLANNING COMMISSION HELD AT THE ELK RIVER PUBLIC LIBRARY APRIL 22. 1986 " I' Members Present: Chairman Tralle, Commissioners Wilson. Fuchs, and Barrett Merrick Members Absent: Commissioner Temple and Warner Staff Present: Stephen Rohlf; Building and Zoning Administrator, Tom Bublitz; City Administrator; Peter Beck; City Attorney 1. The meeting was called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Chairman Tralle. 2. Consider Agenda for April 22. 1986 Planning Commission Meeting Chairman Tra1le added Item 3.5 Landfill to the April 22, 1986 Agenda. COMMISSIONER MERRICK MOVED AMENDED. COMMISSIONER FUCHS TO APPROVE THE APRIL SECONDED THE MOTION. 22. 1986 AGENDA AS THE MOTION PASSED 5-0. 3. Consider Minutes of the March 25, 1986 Planning Commission Meeting The following corrections to the March 25, 1986 Planning Commission Minutes were noted. Commissioner Fuchs noted that on Page 4, Item 9 motion should be revised to read "THIS WOULD INCLUDE 180 SQUARE FEET FREE STANDING SIGNS ON POST IN FRONT OF BUILDING AND TWO 60 SQUARE FEET SIGNS ON THE BUILDING FOR A TOTAL OF 300 SQUARE FEET." Commissioner Fuchs also noted that Item 10 motion should be revised to read "47 FOOT ENCROACHMENT."Commissioner Fuchs also noted that Item 11, the motion be revised to show A 32.5 ENCROACHMENT ON THE REQUIRED 50 FOOT FRONT SETBACK." Chairman Tra1le indicated on Page 4, first paragraph, the word "myself" be revised to read "himself". COMMISSIONER FUCHS MOVED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED. COMMISSIONER · MERRICK SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION PASSED 5-0. 3.5 Landfill Chairman Tralle indicated that Mr. Kreger of the Elk River Landfill wishes to construct a new dump site with a request that the City and County waive 45% of the landfill tax for approximately 8 months. It was the consensus of the Planning proceed with utmost caution regarding Resolution be drafted regarding this tax. Commission that the City Council the landfill tax and that a COMMISSIONER FUCHS MOVED TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE FUNDS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW DUMPING SITE WITH A SYNTHETIC LINER AND AID COLLECTION SYSTEM. COMMISSIONER MERRICK SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION PASSED 5-0. . . . Planning Commission Minutes April 22, 1986 2 4. Conditional Use Permit for Campground-Art Raudio/P.H. Mr. Raudio reviewed and updated the campground proposal for the Planning Commission. He noted that since the concept review of the campground they had obtained another 40 acre parcel and they had an additional proposal for an additional nine hole golf course that would bring his property to County Road 12 and provide an additional access that way. He further indicated that the remaining 30 acres would not be part of the conditional use. Chairman Tralle opened the public hearing. Mr. Raudio indicated they would be putting in another entrance and accessing the campground for County Road 12. This is where the Welcome Center would be. The Building and Zoning Administrator indicated that he felt County Road 12 would be a better access as County Road 40 is not that good of a road. The County had indicated they prefer the main access to the campground be from County Road 12. Mr. Weldon Schultz of 10743 181st Avenue N.W. was concerned about traffic on the Holidays. Mr. Raudio indicated there would only be three main Holi- days where there would be a lot of traffic and he felt this would not be a problem. It was questioned by one of the residents if a study had been made on the traffic on County Road 12 and further indicated he would like to see some study done on monitoring traffic. He felt the shoulders would not hold up on County Road 12 with the increase of traffic and a turning lane should be provided. Mr. Thomas Christian of 10980 181st was also concerned about the traffic. Mrs. Charles Holzem was present and indicated they own 80 acres and are dairy farmers and there would be times we will be on County Road 12 with our heavy equipment which would be interfering with traffic. A question was brought up regarding who will pay for water, sewer and streets. Mr Raudio indicated the project will pay for this and the people would not be responsible. Mary Jo Miske was also concerned about the traffic and felt that the number of RV's on the proposed acres would be too many. Traffic was dicussed in length by the Planning Commission and Chairman .' . . , pqe3 Planning Commission Minutes April 22, 1986 Tralle indicated he felt will have to deal with it. City is really growing and arrives. traffic was one of the major issues here and we Chairman Tralle further indicated he felt the we will deal with the traffic issue as,it It was the consensus of the Planning Commission and that of the several people who were present who had spoken against the campground it was because of the traffic it would generate. Mr. Raudio discussed fencing in length with the Planning Commission. was concerned about the fencing of the area and wanted to have link fences put up between his property and the campground with in between each fence so they could not throw trash on his and for safety reasons. Mr. Miske two chain 25 feet property Chairman Tralle felt Mr. Miske was being unreasonable to ask for a double chain link fence. Mr. Miske indicated that whoever owns the fence responsibility for it. should full take Mrs. Turner of 18776 Cleveland Street indicated a barb wire fence would be O.K. with her with three or four strands of wire. It was the consensus of the Planning Commission that there should be one uniform fence for the area. . Mr. Raudio indicated he would go along with fencing and screening that is reasonable that the council recommends. Chairman Tralle closed the public hearing. Discussion was held regarding the which would be County Road 12. distance within the Campground roadway principal entrance to the campground Also that there be adequate stacking system. DiScussion was held regarding the proposed grocery store and daycare center. The City Attorney indicated that the daycare and grocery store are not allowable as ordinance reads. He further indicated that these were not classified as essential services and the ordinance would have to be changed to allow the grocery store and daycare center as an accessory use to a campground. It was the consensus of the Planning Commission that the proposed general store and daycare center shall not be allowed unless the ordinance is changed to allow these as an accessory use to a campground. I It . , page 4 Planning Commission Minutes April 22, 1986 The next issue that was brought indicated these rental units were public. Mr. Raudio indicated they these units would be of camper removeable. up was rental type units. Mr. Raudio for members only and not open to the would have about 150 rental units $I1d type structure on' wheels and readily It was the consensus of the Planning Commission that 10 rental units be permitted, per phase, totalling 30 rental units. Mr. Raudio felt this was being unreasonable. Discussion was held regarding lighting. Mr. Raudio indicated there will be no lighting within the Campground except whats shown on the plans. and there would not be any lighting of the softball fields. It was the consensus of the Planning Commission that the City Attorney draw up a letter of credit to meet the conditions that are set. COMMISSIONER FUCHS MOVED TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS AS OUTLINED IN THE BUILDING & ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S MEMO WITH THE FOLLOWING CORRECTIONS AND ADDITIONS: Item #2 Show that the Campground has adequate stacking distance within the campground internal roadway system so stacking will not occur on County Road 12. The principal entrance to the Campground shall be from County Road 12 where the Welcome Center will be located. Item U3 The Campground will be put in three phases, the first phase must be entirely complete as shown on the plans approved by the City Council, and all conditions set forth in the Conditional Use Permit be met. Also that a letter of credit be drafted to meet conditions that are set. Item U8 To show that the daycare and grocery store are not allowable unless the ordinance should be amended to allow these uses as assessory to a campground if they are to proceed. Item #9 To show that if the City inspects the septic systems the fee would be a flexible fee instead of the required $50.00 and addition $10.00 per inspection to cover City staff time. Item U18 There would be 30 rental units allowed,10 per phase. Item #19 That the signage must be approved by the City Council in connection with the Plan approval. Item #20 That the permit will be reviewed each year by the City Council to determine if the conditions are met. ~.""'~;i'. <: ~ , " It . page 5 Planning Commission Minutes April 22, 1986 Item 121 Tbat the City Attorney draft the conditions for the Conditional Use Permit. Item 122 Tbat there shall be at least one security person on duty at the Campground during the camping season. COMMISSIONER WILSON SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION PASSED 5-0. 5. Consider Zone Change and Variance Corporation/P.H. Central Investment Request for Art Raudio representing Central Investment Corporation presented this item to the Planning Commission indicating they were requesting the variance because they will be .12 acres shy of the required yard dimension by splitting the two lots into three and putting in a four-plex on each of the three lots. Chairman Tralle opened the public hearing. Mark and $~rbara Lavelle of 11783 191st Avenue was against the zone change as this was all single family homes and there would be to much noise and congestion if apartment complexes were allowed to go in. Chairman Tralle closed the public hearing. Chairman Tralle was against the zone change because he felt this was definitely spot zoning. Commissioner Wilson felt four-plexes was a step down from single family. COMMISSIONER MERRICK MOVED TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE ZONE CHANGE FOR CENTRAL INVESTMENT CORPORATION. COMMISSIONER WILSON SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION PASSED 3-2. The Variance Request for Central Investment Corproation was next discussed by the Planning Commission. Chairman Tralle opened the public hearing. Mr. Andy request denied plexes. was present and indicated he was against the variance trying to develop property in that same area and was Also he felt people were more interested in twelve- Woj tanonicz as he was the request. The Building and Zoning Administrator indicated they were shy one dwelling unit and therefore only allowed to put two four-plexes and not three. Chairman Tralle closed the public hearing. The Building this from an building you and Zoning Administrator indicated that they wanted to rezone R-2A to R-2B. In an R-2A zone a duplex is the largest can build and in an R-2B zone you can go up to a four-plex. ';ifi;:; I'V"p,'\" W:~t:;;:~:; It . page 6 Planning Commission Minutes April 22, 1986 It was the consensus of the Planning Commission to deny this variance so as not to create a precedent. IDMMISSONER BARRETT MOVED TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO DENY THE VARIANCE REQUEST BY CENTRAL INVESTMENT CORPORATION. COMMISSIOER MERRICK SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION PASSED 5-0. 6. Variance Request (Fairgrounds)/P.H. County Agricultural Society Sherburne for Mr. Jim Nystrom indicated the Sherburne County Agricultural Society is requesting a variance on the permitted amount of signage. He further indicated they were requesting two 4 x 16 foot signs (128 square feet) fastened together in a wedge shape. Mr. Nystrom noted that the sign would be in the NW corner of the grounds and without lighting. Chairman Tralle opened the public hearing. opposition of the request. No one appeared for or in The Building and Zoning Administrator indicated that the fairgrounds is kind of a unique circumstances and this amount of signage is necessary for them to properly advertise the fairgrounds. Discussion was held regarding the signage by the Planning Commission. COMMISSIONER FUCHS MOVED TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE SIGNAGE WHICH WOULD CONSIST OF TWO 4 BY 16 FOOT SIGNS FASTENED TOGETHER IN A WEDGE SHAPE. ~OMMISSIONER WILSON SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION PASSED 5-0. At 9:30 P.M. the Planning Commission took a 10 minute recess. Commissioner Merrick left the meeting at this time because of another committment. 7. Conditional Use Permit for Agricultural Society (Fairgrounds) Mr. Jim Nystrom was present representing the Agricultural Society and indicated they were requesting a Conditional Use Permit to enlarge and expand some of their buildings. Mr. Nystrom noted that the Agricultural Society represented a group of volunteers to develop the County Fairgrounds in Elk River. Mr. Nystrom indicated that they had hired Mr. Zack Johnson to do a long range concept for the Fairgrounds that would meet thier needs to the year 2000. Since they were grand fathered in and in order not to have a new Conditional Use Permit each time they wanted to add a building, they came up with this long range concept. Discussion was held regarding the off street parking and if it were in keeping with the Elk River City Ordinance. Mr Nystrom indicated they had sufficient parking for the needs of the Fairground. He noted that they had 1300 spaces for parking with 200% not being used. ~'"' .:::il!jH'... . ':' . ,- . page 7 Planning Commission Minutes April 22,1986 Further discussion was held regarding the other conditions, such as noise, glare, ordor and refuse, also egress and ingress to the property and the Planning Commission felt there would be no problem with this. It was the consensus of the Planning Commission that the City Attorney, Peter Beck, draft a conditional use permit reflecting the Planning Commission's recommendation to the Council. The City Attorney indicated that the Conditional Use Permit should cover the entire operation and that the County Fair Board should also sign and review the permit. COMMISSIONER FUCHS MOVED TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHERBURNE COUNTY AGRICULTURAL SOCIETY UNTIL THE YEAR 2001 WITH A REVIEW OF THE PERMIT EVERY TWO YEARS. COMMISSIONER BARRETT SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION PASSED 4-0. 8. Consider Sign Request by Pamida Store Chairman Tralle introduced this item to the Planning Commission and indicated they were proposing one free standing sign, 36 feet high with two faces, one is 11 by 28 feet and the other 19 by 3 feet 6 inches. Chairman Tralle asked for comments from the audience. There was no one for or against the proposal. Discussion was questioned what than the 36 feet. held the regarding the signage and Commissioner Fuchs present Elk River Mall sign was and if it was higher The Building and roughly 380 feet commercial district would be allowed. Zoning Administrator indicated that Pamida's lot has of frontage on Freeport and if this store was going in a versus a PUD the amount of signage they are requesting COMMISSIONER WILSON MOVED TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE 665 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE FOR PAMIDA. COMMISSIONER BARRETT SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION PASSED 4-0. 9. Consider Sign Permit for Prairie House Mr. Tom Lyons were proposing South can see wagon that is representing the Prairie House Restaurant indicated they to alter their existing sign so as traffic coming from the the sign. They would also like to remove the 6 by 8 foot on top of their sign reducing the total amount of signage. Discussion was held regarding the access on the south side of the property which was to be blocked off or hard surfaced. Mr. Lyons indicated they would work with the owner of this property regarding this problem. ~,.. r" u P1anning Commission Minutes April 22, 1986 CCl-fMISSIONER FUCHS MOVED TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE SIGNAGE FOR PRAIRIE HOUSE RESTAURANT LOCATED AT 600 DODGE AVENUE. COMMISSIONER WILSON SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION PASSED 4-0. 10. Consider Variance Request by Richard Kurth/p.'H. Mr. Richard Kurth owner of Broadway Bar was present and indicated he was requesting permission to add 12 feet onto the front of his building. Mr. Kurth indicated he did not come in with a site plan and also plans of his addition because of the expense unless he had some assurance it would be approved. Chairman Tralle opened the public hearing. No one appeared for or against the request. Chairman Tralle closed the public hearing. It was the consensus of the Planning Commission that Mr. Kurth bring in the site plan and the plan of the addition for our review also that the cost of the alterations is not in excess of 25% of the assessed value of the improvements on the property. This was tabled until the following Planning Commission Meeting. 11. Consider Variance Request for Gregory Johnson/P.H. .;, . This item was cancelled. 12. Consider Variance Request by Tim Smith/P.H. . Mr. Tim Smith was present and indicated he was requesting a 5 foot l' encroachment on the 20 foot side yard setback required in an R-1B zone to build a single fmily dwelling. Chairman Tralle opened the public hearing. opposition of the request. No one appeared for or in Chairman Tralle closed the public hearing. The Building and an administrative by removing the a house on lot this is one of the Zoning Administrator indicated Mr. Smith is going through subdivision to create one buildable lot out of the two lot line between lots 9 and 10 because Mr. Johnson build 11 which straddles that lot line. He further indicated few that meets the conditions for a variance. COMMISSIONER FUCHS FOOT ENCROACHMENT FAMILY DWELLING. PASSED 4-0. MOVED TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE A 5 ON THE 20 FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK TO BUILD A SINGLE COMMISSIONER BARRETT SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION &ill.'.'..."';> ~. ~ . page 9 Planning Commission Minutes April 22, 1986 13. Consider Preliminary Plat Approval for Timothy A. Smith/P.H. Mr. Tim Smith and Mr. Jerry Smith indicated they were commission for a preliminary plat to divide 16 lots duplexes. Mr. Jerry Smith stated that the area would Court. He further indicated they would be constructed lot line requirements. before the to accommodate be called Vermon to meet the zero Chairman Tralle opened the public hearing. Mr. Floyd Stromberg of this was not proposed place for large families. 2nd high Street was against the request. He felt density of children and this was not a 319 for Chairman Tralle closed the public hearing. The Building with Mr. Tim density units are in keeping ad Zoning Administrator indicated staff has reviewed the plat Smith and all of his lot sizes are in keeping with the per acre that are allowed in a R-3 zone and also setbacks with the R-3 zone. COMMISSIONER WILSON MOVED TO RECCHmND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR VERNON COURT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AS OUTLINED IN THE BUILDING AND ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S MEMO WITH THE ADDED CONDITION THAT A DRAINAGE EASEMENT WOULD BE REQUIRED IF THEY PLAN ON GOING TO THE COUNTY DITCH THAT LIES EAST OF THE PLAT. COMMISSIONER BARRETT SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION PASSED 4-0 . 14. Consider Final Plat Approval for Meadowvale Woods Mr. Greg Frank was present and presented Commission indicating this plat is in a Al 90 acres. This would include 29 lots approximately 2.8 acres. this item to the Planning zone and contains approximately with an average lot size of Mr. Frank was concerned about the 40 mph design speed and would like to see the speed limit set at 30 mph. Discussion was and the dollar that the City held regarding the letter of credit, what it should include amount. It was the consensus of the Planning Commission Attorney draft a low risk letter of credit for the roads. Mr. Frank indicated he would like to see the letter of credit to be just for the amount of road that was in the first phase and a second letter of credit for the road that would be included in the second phase. COMMISSIONER FUCHS MOVED TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT FOR MEADOWVALE WOODS WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS OUTLINED IN THE BUILDING AND ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S MEMO ALSO WITH THE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION THAT THE POSTED ROAD SPEEDS WOULD BE 30 MPH. C<H1ISSION WILSON SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION PASSED 4"-0. . . . Planning Commission Minutes April 22, 1986 15. Consider Final Plat Approval for Deerfield 3rd Addition. Mr. Jerry Smith of the Elk River Development Corporation was present and reviewed this item for the Planning Commission indicating the sub-division consists of approximately 126 acres and is proposed to be developed into 229 single family lots. All the proposed lots are served by City water and all but thirteen by City santitary sewer. Discussion was held regarding a large sign for the whole development. It was the consensus of the Planning Commission that two signs be allowed totalling 200 square feet. The Building and Zoning Administrator indicated that EAW, Environmental Assessment Worksheet, should be completed before final plat approval and before any grading should be done, also all site work should wait until we have an agreement. COMMISSIONER WILSON MOVED TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT FOR DEERFIELD 3RD ADDITION WITH THE CONDITIONS OUTLINED IN THE BUILDING AND ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S MEMO AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION THAT TWO SIGNS BE ALLOWED TOTALLING 200 SQUARE FEET. COMMISSIONER BARRETT SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION PASSED 4-0. 16. Ordinance Interpretation/Garages in C-3B Zone The Building and Zoning Administrator presented this item to the Planning Commission and indicated Mr. Eisenschenk is interested in building a 50 foot by 70 foot garage to park semi-trailers in a C-3B zone. It was the consensus of the Planning Commission that the interpretation of the garage would be classified as a Truck Terminal and a conditional use. It was also the consensus that they add the condition that Mr. Eisenschenk clean up his mess prior to a building permit being issued. 17. Adjournment There being no further business, COMMISSIONER WILSON MOVED TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. COMMISSIONER FUCHS SECONDED THE MOTION. THE MOTION PASSED 4-0. The meeting of the Elk River Planning Commission adjourned at 11:30 p.m. sIJ~ILI}){) fh(L(~G Recording Secretary Sharon Maue