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06-23-1980 PC MIN ELK RIv~R Ph4NNING CO~~ISSION rlliETING HELD AT TB~ ELK RIVER PUbLIC LIBRARY JiliIE 23, 1980 Members Present: Commissioners Fox, Hinkle, Driessen,Zabee and ~ucas ft~so Present: Herbert S. Adolphson, Co~munity Development Director 1. Call Meeting to Order The meeting ,.ras called to o~,der by Com.rnissioner Fox at 7: 33 p.m. 2. r.1inute s The minutes of the May 27, 1980, Planning Co~mission Meeting were read and approved. 3. P_genda There were no changes to the agenda. 4. Gerald Santerre, Set-Back Variance Gerald Santerre was present for the public hearing requesting a set-back variance from side street for an addition to his garage located on Concord and Mississippi Road. The public hearing "ras then opened. 1\10 one ,.rished to speak on this issue. The public hearing was then closed. ~tr. Santerre presented a petition in favor of this proposal signed by his neighbors. He said the addition would be 15 ' by 26' w'i th '\.rindo'\.rs on the street side and \.rould be added to the existing garage. He said he needs the additional space to park a company vehicle. Co~missioner Zabee asked what the side variance would be and if the garage extends out. ~rr. Adolphson said the requirement is 32' and he has 25', so it is a 7' variance and that the garage would be in line with the house. CO~TI~ISSIONER LUCAS MOVED TO RECO~~~ND ft~PROVAL OF TB~ SET-BACK VARIANCE. CO~~ISSIONER ZABEE SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION PASSED 4-0. 5. Lloyd P~derson, Proposed Zone Change to 1-1 ~tr. Lloyd Anderson was not present until later in the meeting. ~tr. Carroll Welte, vrho plans to purchase the 3 acres located south of Highway #10 at the intersection with Waco Street (on the west side) was present. He operates Instantop, Inc., vrhich manufacture pickup covers. He said he would propose to put up a pole building or whatever type of building that was required. Co~missioner Fox asked if there was any reason he wanted that particular area as it would require a service road access and that vrould not leave much to build on. tIT. Welte stated he vTould want to maintain a highway location becuase both retail and wholesale would be better, but that vias the only reason. COID~issioner Lucas was opposed to changing the land to industrial. The Commissioner recommended not to change the zoning. June 23, 1980 Page 2 6. Paul Carton, Proposed 1-2 Addition ~~. Carton was not present for this discussion. The proposed addition is a four acre area located west of the NS \ Section Line of Section 28, north of CS~B #1, east of BNR's branch line and south of I93rd Avenue. The Co~mission saw no objections to this proposal. CO~~lISSIONER HINKLE MOVED TO RECO~n~ND THIS ADDITION. COt'lI\1ISSIONER Zfl-BEE SECOl\TDED THE I'-10TION. 1\10TIO~N PiiSSED 4-0. 7. Gary Santwire, Proposed P.U.D. I</jy. Sant1.rire said this property is 30+ acres north and 'e'ast of Faith Fello\.rship Church, east of Highway #169, and south of Elk Hills. ~~. Santwire presented a letter he had \vritten to Faith Fellowship Church with their reply at the bottom in favor of this proposal. He also presented drawings on his proposed development. One outlot would be taken up with road and entrance gates, etc., the highway strip would be co~mercial, then multi-units and tovmhouses, and behind} single family units adjacent to Elk Hills. Since the drawings vTere made I>1r. Sant"\.rire \'Tould like to change to a fe1.r more single family and multiple units and less to~mhouses. ~IT. Santwire vTould propose that the residential roads would tie into those roads existing in Elk Hills, with no connections to the multiple or commercial areas. COllmissioner Fox said that there would be two streets adding four lots onto each street. ~IT. Santwire would also propose a sign directory to get this traffic over to #13 and out as fast as possible. He said he did not have all the ansvrers as to what should go into this proposal, but liked the concept of planning the whole development at once rather than changing zoning. Cow~issioner Fox said there would be some restrictions as to the type of businesses allowed in the cOID~ercial area. lftr. Santwire said fast food restaurants ~rould be a possibility and asked what the Commission vTould like to see in that area. Commissioner Fox said he would not like to see a string of McDonalds, Burger King, etc. or used car dealers. }rr. Santwire said that Gene Kreuser (former o~mer) has retained, in their agreement, land for a garden store. Coro~issioner Hinkle asked about neighbors objections to sewer and vrater. }tr. Santwire said the reports so far were vague. There also would be the possibility of having a lift station and/or connection with the manhole on School Street. Co~missioner Zabee said he had no objections to the P.U.D. concept itself. Commissioner Lucas was concerned about the cow~ercial area within the P.U.D. and would like to see it limited. C01~~ISSIONER ZA~EE MOVED TO RECO~~~ND THIS P.U.D. COt~ISSIONER HINKLE SECONDED TB~ MOTION. MOTION FJtSSED 4-0. 8. Vicker's Riverglade Park, Informal Discussion Larry Koshak presented a preliminary plan for only the City of Elk River. tie said this plan is 53.56 acres, basically it is the plan presented before only with Ramsey excluded. It has 12 - 2~ acres of single family lots and proposed that the zoning be changed from A-I to R-l, and the 1 acre plus be changed from A-I to C-3 with restriction as to type of businesses operated. The only difference from the last plan is the road connected in with th~ largest section. The developer would like to proceed vrith this part of the plan as Ramsey's portioll is in the "critical rivers area" and at the present the requirement for lots is 10 acres. Ramsey is going before the Enviromental Quality Board but this may take a year to 18 months. Co~missioner Lucas asked about the June 23, 1980 Page 3 soil tests and ~IT. Adolphson had not seen them yet. ~tr. Koshak had the tests there and had a circulation test rate of .8 per inch at a 24" depth. He said it should be sufficient for a standard septic system. ~IT. Koshak stated the grading in the residential area 1fould be minor, but cownercial would require fill because of the slope of the land. Some of the roads would have a standard grade of five percent. Commissioner Fox asked how many lots it could be sub- divided into for future sewer and water. }tr. Koshak said about 48 lots and also there was a change from 6 to 4 lots along the river. COID~issioner Fox asked about coordinating where the house was to be built on the lot so that these could be subdivided in the future. 9. Rick Foster, Proposed P.U.D. ~~. Foster presented a sketch of Ridgewood East 4th Addition to give the Co~mission an idea of his proposal. The residential homes would all have private driveways maintained privately. The P.U.D. is 17~ acres dividing into possibly 100 units. Each home o~mership association would have 20 families, operated separately. Commissioner Fox asked about storm sewer runoff. ~tr. Foster said he had done some testing in the area. Co~missioner Driessen said it would be natural for se1fer and water. Commissioner Zabee asked about the price range of such a system. ~IT. Foster didn't know the cost. CO~TI~ISSIONER DRIESSEN MO\~D TO RECO~wmND THE PROPOSED P.U.D. WITH THE COUNCIL NOTING TF~T THE ~~EA IS SHORT 2~ ACRES OF THE ALLOTTED 20 FOR P.U.D. IS. CO~~1ISSIONER Zft~EE SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION PASSED 4-0. 10. Informal Discussion with East Side Concerned Citizen's on P.U.D. '8 ~IT. Hipp and Estelle Gunkel of the East Side Concerned Citizens appeared and asked to get some answers to their questions about P.U.D. IS. urr. A~ton Hipp asked the Co~mission to explain what a P.U.D. is and what stages the development proceeded. If the co~mercial area could be developed right away before the tovmhouses and apartments, then residential so there would be no buffer between co~mercial and residential areas for several years. The Commission stated that it could be dictated so that the cOID~ercial and to~mhouses had to be put up at the same time. He also asked about what the procedures was for getting a P.U.D. approved. P~so, if a person buying a house in a P.U.D. area could expect that plan to stay the same and not change. Cow~issioner Fox said he could not speak for future Co~missions or Councils. ~tt. Hipp asked if there were any proposals before the Co~mission to develop his area. Commissioner Fox said he knew of none. Mr. Hipp also asked about the procedure for notifying residents of a proposed development. Est~lle Gunkel also had some questions on the P.U.D. issue. She said she was not notified of this ordinance change. At one meeting she asked Zack Johnson if there were any proposed changes for her area, but was given a vague answer and two weeks later read in the paper, the land was to be a P.U.D. She asked about if it has to have sevTer and water. Ms. Gunkel also stated in the ordinance on Page 11, ft~ticle 7, it says a P.U.D. should not adversel:l effect existing schools and she did not see h01'T that 1'ras going to be possible. She was also concerned as 1vas ttr. Hipp about the time plan on the construction of a development. Commissioner Fox said it was hard to predict as to the completion time of a P.U.D. It could be done in two years or take up to five years. She also wanted to know if it was possible to approve the shopping center (citing George Dietz's proposal as an example) and not do anything about developing the rest. Co~missioner Fox said in a P.U.D. the entire June 23, 1980 Page 4 area has to be planned out and presented to the Commission. Ms. Gunked also wanted a clarification about the public hearing notice published in the news- paper and if letters were sent out. Elaine ~nderson of the Sherburne County Star News said she would be willing to put a public notice box on the front page of the paper with a general description of the area. Ms. Gunkel also wanted to know how the P.U.D. 's originated, if it was Zack Johnson's idea or the Planning Co~mission or the City Council's idea. She was told it was a joint effort of all parties involved. Also, she wanted to know if P.U.D. 's could be changed to R-l and if it was easy to do. Co~missioner Fox said it could be done. ~~. Hipp asked about School Street and if it was to be widened. Mr. Adolphson said at some time in the future it would have to be, but that the Planning Co~mission does not handle that. 11. Joe Bailey, Service Road through Proctor ~tr. Joe Bailey also appeared and stated he was selling his house and asked about the possibility of a service road that was to go through Proctor and along Highway #10. Cow~issioner Fox said he had not heard and the road right of way was given to the City. 12. Adjournment The meeting was adjourned at 9:50 p.m. Re s~:etful-l;Y. ~~b.. m., i t;;.1.;Uv e. d '....~. ......... .~.,'."....,.~.....,.,',::...:... .,/..../. ..,;~// ~~,/ 0 :/::/// /-rv~~--/l f7 ~?v ~~ heroert S. Adolphson Cow~unity Development Director DD: cIa